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Playing poker live for the first time can be a nerve racking experience, and also a bit intimidating. The last thing you want to do is upset another player by doing things you shouldn’t, right? The purpose of this column is to offer some hints and tips on good poker etiquette and to make the introduction to live poker as smooth and enjoyable as possible.
I’ll assume that you already know the basic rules of poker and are comfortable with the mechanics of the game. But there are many more rules, regulations, and etiquette issues you should know before embarking on your first foray into live poker.
Don’t let anything in this column put you off playing live poker. Everyone was a novice at one stage and poker players are generally a friendly bunch who are welcoming to new players. If you explain you’re new to the game then nobody will expect you to be perfect, but the following points should help you integrate into the game without any unexpected bumps:
#1 – Keeping Up with the Game
Poker players get frustrated when the game is moving slowly. Pay attention to the game so you know when it’s your turn to act. When it’s your turn to post blinds/antes, then do so without having to be continually prompted. Everyone can forget sometimes, so don’t beat yourself up about this too much – but players will appreciate it if you pay attention and keep up with the flow of the game. Also, only act when it’s your turn – don’t check, call, or fold out of turn. This annoys other players.
#2 – “I See You….And”
You’ve probably seen poker in the movies where they all say “I see you…and I’ll raise” – STOP! This is incorrect, and phrases like “I see you” are classed as a call, plain and simple. If you wish to make a raise then just say “raise”. Then make your bet. At some venues you might get away with this kind of sloppy table talk, but it’s a bad habit and one that should be eliminated early on.
#3 – Saying “Raise” When You Mean “Bet”
Another very common verbal error that beginners to poker make is saying “raise”, when they are just making a bet. Don’t say raise when you mean bet. For example, after the flop the first to open the betting should say “bet” rather than “raise”. Even though there is money in the pot, they aren’t raising a new bet – they’re opening the betting. Saying “raise” should only occur when you’re actually increasing the bet and thereby raising someone else’s previous bet. Other players probably won’t say anything because it’s such a common occurrence, but a good one to avoid nonetheless. It won’t get you into trouble but saying raise when it’s just a bet is like holding up a big neon sign saying “I’m a poker novice”.
#4- String Betting
A string bet is when a player entering his chips into the pot as a bet or raise proceeds to move chips in multiple chip movement, such as dropping chips one at a time or going back to their chip stack to pick up more chips. The ruling for string bets varies from region to region, with some places being far stricter than others. Avoiding a habit for string betting is a good idea as it can prove to be a costly mistake. Here’s some advice – when you want to make a bet, put the chips in one smooth movement. Better still; verbally declare your bet amount before even touching your chips.
If you’re wondering why this is even at all important, then let me be clear about why string betting is frowned upon. String betting is not allowed because it opens up the possibility for cheating, by trying to gain a visual tell or response from another player in the pot. Other players will probably pull you up on string betting – so just be extra careful when making bets.
#5 – The One Chip Rule
Here’s another betting situation that beginners to live poker often fail to understand – until it’s too late. If you don’t announce raise or call and throw one chip into the pot then it can be classed as a call. For example if it’s 100 to call and you place one 500 value chip across the line without declaring raise or call it’s usually only classed as a call. This is why it’s good to declare your action verbally before moving your chips. Just like with string betting, verbal declarations help cut out any potential mistakes.
#6 – Verbal Goes
In a few of the points mentioned so far, I’ve recommended making verbal declarations. I even said “verbal declarations help cut out any potential mistakes” – but they can also be costly, if made in error. You’ll often here poker players say “verbal goes”, and what they mean by this is – what you said first and foremost stands. If you say “call” and proceed to muck your cards, then your call stands and you have to put the chips in (you cards will be dead though in this example).
Make sure you’re up with the game (see #1) before making any verbal declarations. For example, if someone had made a raise before you and you thought there hadn’t been a raise, yet you announced call, then your call will stand. Sometimes this ruling is relaxed, especially for beginners, but it could cost you a lot of chips/money. So use verbal utterances with great care and concentrate on what’s occurred before it’s your turn, so you know exactly what you’re calling or raising.
#7 – Cards on the Table
The cards should remain on the table at all times. Sometimes new players like to hold the cards up towards their chest when sneaking a look – and most people won’t be too strict about this. It’s something beginners tend to do. However, your cards should be visible at all times. Do not hold your cards under the table or away from view. It’s quite obvious why this would be unacceptable, but I’ve seen many new players do this.
When your cards are on the table, avoid covering them with your hands. Other players should be able to see who is involved in the hand, and shouldn’t have to ask “do you still have cards?” If you want to protect your hand then just place a chip onto of them or buy a card protector.
#8 – Mucking Your Cards
When the time comes to fold (muck) your cards, then place them into the muck pile. A lot of new players will barely push their mucked cards forward. This can cause confusion, with other players unsure whether they’ve actually been folded. Avoid any potential confusion and properly muck your cards face down along with the other mucked cards.
Be careful and muck your cards properly. Don’t wildly throw your cards into the muck, because if you cards should miss their intended target and end up on an opponent’s hole cards, then their cards could be declared dead. They won’t be best pleased with you either! This is one reason why it’s a good idea to protect your cards (see previous point), should someone do the same to you.
#9 – Talking / Gesturing During a Hand
When a hand is in progress you should refrain from talking about the hand. General table talk is usually acceptable, but if things get serious then pipe down. If by chance you would have made a great hand, then don’t let the whole table know about it either. For example, you fold 7/2 pre-flop and the flop comes 772. Don’t thump the table, yell “Oh my god!” or shake your head profusely. Do this after the hand if needs be, but never during it. It indicates what you had to the other active players involved in the hand and is considered very poor etiquette.
#10 – Slow Rolling
If a hand enters a showdown (where cards are revealed) then you should show your hole cards as soon as possible, if you’ve been called. If your opponent has shown their cards first and you have a better hand, then reveal it immediately. Don’t let your opponent think they might have won the pot, then slowly turn over the nuts (best possible hand). This is known as “slow rolling” and is one of the main ways to upset people at the poker table. You want to win their chips, not upset them!
Playing poker live is great fun. I hope you’ve found this article useful, particularly if you’re interesting in playing live poker for the first time. If you’re playing in a casino or cardroom and are unsure or confused about any aspect of the game (such as the structure, blinds/antes) then just ask the dealer when you’re not involved in a hand, preferably upon sitting down.
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By Tim Ryerson
Tim is from London, England and has been playing poker since the late 1990’s. He is the ‘Editor-in-Chief’ at Pokerology.com and is responsible for all the content on the website.
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Understanding how to bet is one of the fundamental skills in poker. If your aim is to become a skilled poker player, you have to understand why you are betting in the first place and how to manipulate your opponents into doing what you want so you can win as much as possible. Skilled poker players know exactly why they are betting and what they are trying to accomplish.
In later lessons we’ll cover some of the reasons behind calling a raise or re-raising, but they are far too situational, extensive, and quite simply beyond the scope of this lesson. Instead we’ll be keeping it fairly simple by examining the basic betting concepts that apply to pre-flop scenarios in no-limit hold’em when you’re involved in an unopened pot – that is, situations when you’re not facing a raise.
Before we talk about some of the reasons to open the betting by raising, be aware that in poker there are usually far more reasons to fold than to bet or raise. It’s important that you always exercise good starting hand selection. Put simply, don’t play too many hands. Most players do, and it’s probably the single biggest mistake made at the poker table. After all, whether you’re playing online poker or in a traditional casino, most of your opponents – like you – love poker. They came to play, not to throw away hand after miserable hand that doesn’t warrant wagering on. Unless you’re having a rare run of extremely good hands, most of the time you should toss your starting hand away with no regrets and save your money.
Why You Should Raise
“Why should I raise? I just want to see the flop and see what happens”. This is a common statement among novice poker players and it’s important to understand why this is ultimately a losing philosophy. While not as common or as significant an error as calling when you should have folded, failing to raise when the time is right will cost you money in the long run.
You should always strive to play an aggressive style of poker – which means that if you’re in the hand you are most often times going to be raising or re-raising. Good reasons to raise are as follows:
- To thin the field
- To take control of a hand
- To raise for value
- To get others to fold
Let’s take a look at each of these reasons for raising in more detail…
To Thin the Field
In most cases you don’t want to play a raised pot versus more than two other players. Even if you have a big starting hand it can still be vulnerable and you don’t want someone catching some random two pair hand or a crazy straight draw. The fewer people in the hand means you have fewer people to fight to win the pot and fewer decisions to make, so you should often be looking to raise when you enter the hand.
To Take Control of a Hand
Another very good reason to raise is that it announces to the poker table that you have a strong hand. Even if you miss the flop you can often carry on with your aggression by making a continuation bet and take down the pot. Since you raised pre-flop, players will more likely respect your next bet. When you raise pre-flop you’ll often find that other players will check to you after the flop, to see what you’re going to do. You’ve taken control of the hand.
To Raise for Value
The most common, straight forward reason to raise is when you have a good starting hand. Believing you have the best of it based upon your hand’s value you want to get more money into the pot – pretty simple, right? Not so fast! There are several other considerations to evaluate. Raising pre-flop for value can be somewhat tricky in terms of bet size because you want to accomplish several objectives:
- You want to get more money in the pot.
- You probably want to narrow the field.
- You want your opponents to be drawing incorrectly.
You need to determine what your bet size should be to accomplish the above objectives. I believe you should be consistent in how you bet regardless of your holding so as to make it more difficult for observant opponents to put you on a hand accurately. My recommendation is to raise three times the big blind plus one additional bet for every limper in front of you. Do that every time and no one can get a read on your play. Also, this type of bet should accomplish all three objectives.
While you’re still learning how to play poker it’s very important that you avoid raising the minimum. A common beginner mistake is when they raise the minimum with a pair of Aces after three of four people have limped in. This is bad because while Aces are the best hand pre-flop, it’s unlikely that the others will fold. “But I want them to call and build the pot” – actually you don’t. Aces are not a favourite to win versus four random hands.
The point is that you should be raising an amount where you maximize how much you win.
To Get Others to Fold
Since bluffing is certainly part of poker, sometimes you will be betting in order to get others, who may have better hands than you, to fold. This is especially true in tournament poker where stealing the blinds and antes is crucial for building your chip stack.
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If your goal is to get others to fold, you can’t be timid. While a smaller raise can look like a big hand, you want to bet an amount that your opponent can’t call. However, keep in mind that each bet tells a story. While going all-in might be the largest amount you can bet, if it looks like you want a fold then you might get a call from someone who doesn’t believe you.
When Calling is an Option
While you should strive to play an aggressive style of poker, particularly when playing no-limit hold’em, there are situations in which it is best to just call pre-flop. Here are two examples:
- When you’re first to act
- Calling after other limpers
There are times in which the strength of your hand, your position at the table and other situational factors dictate that it is better to limp into the pot. Being first to act is one of these times. However, the important concept to remember is that you should only be limping with a hand you can stand to call a raise with. An example would be limping in early position with a small pocket pair in hopes of catching a set.
If you find yourself in a situation where 3 or 4 players have already limped in, it’s often okay to call with certain types of hands – although it’s still important that you use good hand selection. Just because other people are playing doesn’t mean you can justify playing any two cards.
What you should take away while you are still learning to play is that when you are faced with a tough decision, calling is almost always the last choice. If you’re playing poker correctly, you’ll fold more than you raise and raise more than you call. That’s the ticket. Calling too often with mediocre and weak hands is a one-way street to a busted bankroll.
Remember to Always Ask Why
In poker there are many reasons to bet and one should always have a reason versus just firing out chips. Being aware of criteria such as position, knowledge of opponents’ tendencies, your current table image and the depth of stack sizes should help you identify what your objective is before proceeding.
To conclude, remember to always ask why. That is how you learn. Skilled poker players need to be astute enough to understand the wisdom in always asking why before proceeding. Have a plan and then execute your plan.
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By Donovan Panone
Donovan started playing poker in 2004 and is an experienced tournament and cash game player who has a passion for teaching and helping others improve their game.